Actually, actually, when he first put us into hypnosis, he didn't know what he was going to get.

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The first person who contacted us was the assistant to President Eisenhower... in the White House.

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By the time we went to Doctor Simon I think Barney had been totally disabled for at least six months.

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Meanwhile I married and I adopted three kids who were all from one family and then later I was divorced.

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So that they can actually make it known to the American people before they vote what they're voting for.

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And that's how I wrote to NICAP, but then later, just very soon after that, like three weeks later, we started getting phone calls from government agents.

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So it's sheer terror, but then, this is the whole reason that we went so long to Doctor Simons, was to get rid of all these... mixed feelings that we had.

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And I'm walking along and we're laughing, kidding, joking, and see he understood the leader, the one we called the leader, had some knowledge of English, although limited.

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In fact, if you have a crime committed against you, and you go to have hypnosis, you can't testify. Because there's no way to test what is real, what's fact, what's fantasy.

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I mean you might say he had a travelling post office, but also Barney was very, very active. He was a legal officer for the NAACP and they had a lot of problems after Pease.

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